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美国——肺癌 一线上靶向药

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发表于 2007-8-17 22:57:53 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 美国
<p>很感谢这个论坛的建立,一直想把我获得的信息与大家分享,但实在太忙,且打中文很慢。现在抽一点时间先把我要分享的话题写出来。</p><p>我妈妈今年初诊断肺癌。我回国前特意咨询了肺癌专家,得知在这里,肺癌若不能手术,首先查EGFR基因,若阳性,则首选靶向药。靶向药耐药后,上化疗。</p><p>我妈妈没有这样做,因为国内大家都不这样做。现在看来,如果先上靶向反而更好了。因人而异。</p><p>我会把美国的医生与我之间关于靶向药与化疗的email贴上来。</p><p>看到大家关于早上靶向药的顾虑,怕是一种误区,所以急于把这个话题发出来。</p>
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发表于 2007-8-18 04:38:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
<p>等待!</p><p>不知肺的不典型类癌,吃靶向药物有用么?</p>
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发表于 2007-8-18 08:47:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东
<p>谢谢SEE的分享,很期待!</p>
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-8-19 02:08:29 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
<p>&nbsp;为亲人作治疗的决策是一件大事,尤其第一轮战斗很关键。我想我们做的有点草率。好在我们并没有过渡化疗。也许还有机会追求奇迹。但奇迹绝不来源于化疗。</p><p>下面是我与Boston的MGH医院的医生的email.因我并没有告知我会把我们的私人email公众化,所以我在这里隐去医生的名字。我只是想我们中国的病人很不幸地需要做太多的个人决策,因没有一个标准化的最佳的治疗方案。因此我们需要各方面的信息。请看email_____</p><p></p><p>----- Original Message ----<br/><br/>Subject: RE: question about Iressa and Tarceva for decision making<br/><br/></p><style type="text/css"></style><div><span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">see answers below</font></span></div><blockquote><div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br/><br/><b>Subject:</b> question about Iressa and Tarceva for decision making<br/><br/></font></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Hi, Dr.&nbsp; ,</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">How are you doing?</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">I've been back for 2 weeks, but haven't&nbsp;been back to work yet.&nbsp; Right now I'm taking care of my two kids, and meanwhile taking care of my mother by calling back to China and telling them what to do next.&nbsp; </div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Can I ask you a few more questions please?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Question 1.&nbsp; Should we start with Iressa or Tarceva?&nbsp; Is Tarceva better than Iressa?&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp;Either is fine. Iressa may have&nbsp;fewer side effects.&nbsp;</font></span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Question 2.&nbsp; Do EGFR targetted agents (like Iressa and Tarceva) give patients longer life, or just improve the life quality?&nbsp;<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp;Longer life and better quality.&nbsp;</font></span> I heard that&nbsp;once Iressa/Tarceva resistance happens, the tumor would grow even faster in a crazy way, which means that the overall survival time for a patient is the same, no matter whether he take the EGFR targetting drug or not.&nbsp; Is this true?&nbsp;<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp;No&nbsp;</font></span> Tarceva has shown survival prolongation, but not Iressa, is this true?<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp; In unselected Caucasian&nbsp;populations, but&nbsp;not in Asians nor in non-smokers.&nbsp;</font></span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Question 3.&nbsp; What would you do to the patient once the drug resistance happens?&nbsp; What's the standard treatment here in the U.S.?&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp;We have clinical trials of new EGFR agents in the US. There are also other chemotherapy drugs&nbsp;</font></span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Question 4.&nbsp; Which chemotherapy plan (the drug combinations) is the most commonly used for adenocarcinoma (age 66, female) in the practice here?&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp;Many different ones used.&nbsp;</font></span>How do you feel about NP plan?<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp; don't know what NP means&nbsp;</font></span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Question 5.&nbsp; About the time to start Iressa.&nbsp; In China, doctors apply Iressa (or Tarceva) as 3rd line treatment for NSCLC, since anyway Iressa resistance would happen, and once it happens, the disease would progress really fast, so they start Iressa after all other treatments fail, in which way the patient's survival time could be the maximum length.&nbsp; This is different than here, that the EGFR targetted drug is used as 1st line treatment.&nbsp; Does this mean that the survival time here would be shorter?<span class="313542213-11072007"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">&nbsp; No -&nbsp;we think survival can be prolonged w/ iressa, especially if there is an EGFR mutation. the thing about the disease progressing faster is just not true.&nbsp;</font></span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">I greatly appreciate your help!</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">sincerely,</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;">&nbsp;</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"></div></div></blockquote>
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-8-19 02:38:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
<p>lantian,</p><p>"不典型类癌"是什么意思?是混合型么?</p><p>易对腺癌有效机会最大,但对其他亦可有效。otherwise,用Tarceva.</p>
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发表于 2007-8-19 06:23:31 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
<p>谢谢see,</p><p>类癌,是肺癌里的一种;类癌又分不典型类癌,和典型类癌。据说得肺癌的人中只有1~2%的是类癌,我也是看了病理才知道有这种病,不知坛子里有没有同类的病友?</p><p>不典型类癌的英文名字是Atypical carcinoid,家人的现象是:双肺多发结节,最大的2.3x2cm,局部淋巴肿大,多发的骨转移(肺部没有什么症状,是由于脚疼走不了路去检查发现的)。医生说,目前的状况,不能手术,这种病对化疗也不敏感,由于得这种病的人少,医生也没什么经验。好象是没治疗办法了。</p><p>如果您方便的话,能不能帮忙问一下国外的医生哪种靶向药有用呢,谢谢啦!</p><p></p>
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-8-19 15:22:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
<p>Hi Lantian,</p><p>I'll ask the doctor soon and paste the email here.&nbsp; Comming up....</p><p>See</p>
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发表于 2007-8-19 15:55:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国河北沧州
<p>哪位兄弟可以帮忙翻译一下!或者楼主兄弟帮忙翻译或者说一下大概的意思,我相信这里的病友的英文不是都很好的!多谢!</p>
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