妈妈健康 发表于 2007-6-11 15:55:20

大家一起来讨论药物"纳科思"

<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">&nbsp;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">前两天听一个要好的网友想飞说他妈的妈在服用易瑞沙的同时服用纳科思</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">本来是要注射的</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">医生怕副作用大改用雾化来吸入</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">费用三个月大概两万左右</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">他说他妈妈用了一个月胸痛的情况没有了</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">但是不知道是易的作用还是两者联用产生的效果</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">但是每次雾化完后都会人非常舒服</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">而且会吐出一口像痰一样的东西</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">他的妈妈平常是没有痰的</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">所以这个像痰一样的东西是做完这个药的雾化后产生的</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">我妈妈单报易瑞沙</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">一个月下来淋吧结有变小</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">但是心胞积液引起的胸痛还时有发生</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">听他说完这个药后我挺感兴趣</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">不知道不家没有别的朋友再使用的</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">特此发贴</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">大家一起来交流纳科思是药名</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">:</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">普变名是注谢用重组改构人肿瘤坏死因子</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;">
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相信奇迹 发表于 2007-6-11 16:01:17

<p>帮顶!很关注这个药,有用过的病友上来说一下吧</p>

以马内利 发表于 2007-6-11 17:15:36

<font face="楷体_GB2312" size="4"><strong>相信奇迹你还记得这次聚会的时候那位阿姨介绍的使用肿瘤坏死因子的情况吧,查了一下纳科思就是属于这类药物,与易瑞沙等药物联用有增敏效果,但我印象中她说的价格好像没这么贵,你是否还记得?</strong></font>

相信奇迹 发表于 2007-6-11 21:20:10

对的,我记得她说肿瘤坏死因子好像只有一个厂家生产,是不是就是纳科思。另外她没有谈到价格,隐约记得是进医保的。看来要查下KID的记录了。

相信奇迹 发表于 2007-6-11 21:28:21

<p>&nbsp;纳科思:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;通用名:注射用重组改构人肿瘤坏死因子<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;英文名:Recombinant Mutant Human Tumor Necrosis Factor (rmhTNF)<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;纳科思由第四军医大学、上海赛达生物药业股份有限公司及广东泰禾生物药业有限公司联合研制,是应用生物工程技术对天然TNF-α进行结构改造后获得的高活性、低毒性变构体,其全身应用抗肿瘤治疗取得了令人满意的疗效,并于2003年4月24日获得国家食品药品监督管理局颁发的新药证书,为国内外首家获准上市的全身应用的肿瘤坏死因子变构体。 </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;抗肿瘤机理: <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   ① 直接杀伤肿瘤细胞;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   ② 破坏肿瘤组织血液供应;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   ③ 介导机体免疫调节作用;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   ④ 增强放/化疗敏感性。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   临床研究结果:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅱ、Ⅲ期临床试验共入组650例(Ⅱ期229例、Ⅲ期421例);因各种原因出组55例(Ⅱ期23例、Ⅲ期32例);供安全性评价601例(Ⅱ期210例、Ⅲ期391例);供临床疗效分析595例(Ⅱ期206例、Ⅲ期389例),其中试验组352例(Ⅱ期90例、Ⅲ期262例),对照组179例(Ⅱ期79例、Ⅲ期100例),开放组64例(Ⅱ期37例、Ⅲ期27例)。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   1. 纳科思联合化疗药物治疗中晚期恶性肿瘤有效率显著高于单纯化疗的对照组:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅱ期:试验组27.78%、对照组12.66%,P=0.002;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅲ期:试验组27.86%、对照组11.00%,P=0.000。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   其中肺癌:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅱ期:试验组50.00%(19/38)、对照组20.00%(9/45),P=0.002,<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅲ期:试验组42.11%(40/95)、对照组20.59%(7/34),P=0.009;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   2. 单用纳科思治疗放、化疗等失败又无其它治疗方法的晚期恶性肿瘤有效率分别为:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅱ期:10.81%;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅲ期:14.81%。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   3. 治疗后,患者的一般状况和生活质量有所改善。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅱ期治疗后KPS评分:试验组85.02±10.74、对照组81.35±9.63,P=0.038;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ⅲ期治疗前后KPS评分差值:试验组1.653±8.531、对照组_0.400±5.975,P=0.011;4.&nbsp;<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;临床上除发热及注射局部疼痛等不良反应外,未发现其它明显毒副作用。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;不良反应:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;主要为注射局部疼痛、红肿硬结,少数患者有发热,但程度较轻,患者一般均能耐受,不需要作特殊处理,治疗结束后均能自行缓解。个别患者出现一过性轻度肝功能、肾功能损害外,未见有严重肝、肾功能、心电图异常,以及低血压等不良反应发生。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;用法与用量:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;每支用2ml注射用水溶解,肌肉注射,每次400万U/M2,第1-7天及第11-17天每天用药一次,21天为一个周期,连续应用两个周期为一疗程。</p><p>按疗程用药来看是要3~4万。</p>

相信奇迹 发表于 2007-6-11 21:31:48

另外我竟然找到用纳科思胸腔引流治疗胸腔积液,是不是可以把它做为治疗胸水的一种方法?

妈妈健康 发表于 2007-6-12 12:15:38

我妈有心胞积液这么说也有效果?我知道的那个网友用了是效果不错,他妈每次做完都有痰一样的东西吐出来,他的主治医生还想用这个与易联用三个月后回到一线治疗,这是不是也是可行的方案,但是我始终不太相信一线治疗,太多病友效果很好,但是受尽苦头后两个月又复发了

shirley8033 发表于 2007-6-13 22:49:33

<p>纳科思是属于医保丙类,不能报销的项目。。。</p><p>我买的是335元/支,不便宜啊</p>
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